I think the ability to route any/all tracks to a live looper track, internally/digitally, could make things interesting
Might be able to pull that off with a mixerā¦ Cool idea though!
For sure, Iāve done it with no issuesā¦other than the analog generation loss. Thatās why I mentioned doing it in a digital way to avoid that
This S2400 is the center of my studio I will take more polyphony if they add to firmware.
However, I enjoy the constraints of the original SP1200 shining through the S2400. It is what makes the S2400 more than just another sampler, but an experience. To push past the 8 channel limit, Iām forced to find samples that do not trigger at same time and group onto same channel, or eliminate some of that excess fat (did I need all of those samples triggering at same time?).
Iāve built songs with 16 samples and only on 7 channels. It can be done. You need to be creative like them OGs did with the SP12/SP1200 back in the days.
However, Like @LonzoB and @fooddude Sometimes Iām triggering other samplers/drum machines to push way past the polyphony limits as a last resort.
I agree - 8 channels forces me to think creatively. I havenāt really run into the limits of 8 voices. I donāt layer. There is so much I use outside the sampler - eq, compressors, modular synth & effects, guitar pedals. I create the sounds and sequence them on the S2400ā¦ or use pre-produced great sounding one-shots.
I probably havenāt hit any limits also because Iām still learning the machine - been diving into the midi side lately. I will say again that I didnāt expect the S2400 to do everything. Itās a great addition to the studio and a super creative tool.
Some people are sample based producers that rarely if at all use midi. Letās make it make sense.
Cool - sounds limiting
Not everyone uses your workflow.
Yeah I know - not saying anyone shouldā¦ Iām just throwing ideas out there. Maybe it will be useful, maybe it wonāt.
OG SP1200 has 20sec sample-time limit.
S2400 has 21.5min limit in mono (5.5min in stereo).
So, the S2400 doesnāt have the same āconstraintsā compared to the OG SP1200, aside from 8voice poly.
Then thereās the sequencer and all the other features.
All that extra sample time (and features) will result in totally different sounding music/beats compared to a 20sec OG unit, regardless of polyphony.
All that sample-time with only 8-voices, it doesnāt suit/match each other.
OGs didnāt use the SP1200 by itself all the timeā¦ they often paired it with an S950/900, or other S-series or other samplerā¦ for more voices/polyphony. Or, they just used an MPC60/3000/2000/1000.
Yes, it can be done - using ācreativityā to use 9-32 samples with only 8voices. To many, including myself, thatās just an extra-step/s, extra time, slow-down, hassle/effort, during workflow/creation - to sit and really brainstorm what sample fits where, to make sure things donāt get cut-off, or to diagnose what sample is getting cut off and by which other sample.
Iām not saying more voices isnāt better. Iām squarely with the more voices please group. Iām just saying that isnāt a reality right now. So, your options are create around (given the suggestions) it or replace it with something else (DAW or MPC). Until more voices are added (if added ever).
Just donāt use them if you donāt need toā¦Iām sure your car goes over 100mph, does that mean youāre driving at that speed at all times?
Iām new to this and have hit the first bump in the road. That is samples cutting off. Now iāve discovered layering and stacking(same i guess). I would take FX over polyphony though. As The samples wouldnāt cut off just fade away naturally, and that would help too.
I can understand how you can have this problem if youāre trying to do a whole production in one boxā¦ Why would you though? In the end it all ends up as samples. I know know thereās a historical thing, but why does everything have to be in one box? That seems very limiting.
So now itās ālimitingā if you create full projects in one box?
Why donāt you think so? You donāt have many of the tools you need to mix.
It just depends on where people place the āless is moreā cursor.
About beatmaking (not talking about mixing or home mastering) Iām happy with one box.
When I was young, first because of lack of money and then because I wanted to keep data storage as simple as possible. I didnāt want a floppy disk here, a zip disk there and a hard drive over there.
Now I donāt want to collect gear I ll learn how to use and not use in the end. So one box is good for some people. Just personal preference
Judging by the amount of views this thread hasā¦ itās plain to see that more voices is what the majority wants.
OG SP1200 has 10 seconds sampling timeā¦ only the new SP1200 has 20 seconds. Both not much but enough to make awesome beats and the limitation leads to results you wonāt have with endless sampling time
Nope, but you may have the wrong box.