DSP card Live FX: post your feedback!

Hey all!

Artemiy from Sinevibes here. I am posting to let you know that there are some small but meaningful updates we have planned for the Live FX plugin – but I am also curious to hear your general feedback about it. Any issues with levels/calibration? Any wishes for new parameters in existing algorithms? Please let me know as it will be a good chance for us to look into everything.

Cheers!

Artemiy

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First of all, it’s sick. Just so damn fun. FX sound great.
I’ll have to poke around tonight and think more deeply about what a wishlist might look like for me, but off the top of my head the only thing I know I want is the ability to route busses to the fx slots.

Stoked you guys are gonna keep pushing things forward.

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Thanks for your feedback and kind words! :slight_smile:

The immediate plan is to bring in two latest developments on our side:

  • New state variable filters that are more efficient and have a more linear/pleasant response as you sweep the cutoff frequency to the extremes (plus a new peaking filter mode)
  • Updated reverb with improved tail diffusion

Regarding the separate bus routing for each effect slot, this would most likely requite both a rewrite of the plugin (since it’s a serial processor with separate smooth send/return gate on each effect) and the DSP card’s audio routing and UI. So not sure we can be discussing it at the moment.

Hi!

Thanks for those fantastic fx.

I use Tape and Vynil a lot, and my only gripe is that the noise is too much too soon. I mean, I would love for it to be more gradual if that make sense.

Also I would love to reorder them in the master bus so I can put a limiter afterwards, or maybe a limiter LiveFX could make it.

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Okay this totally makes sense, we will recalibrate the noise generator level parameter!

As about a limiter… you mean that as of now Live FX is the very last processor in the chain, so there’s no way to place an additional LV2 plugin after it?

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Thank you!

Yes, exactly. It would be great if we could reorder LiveFX to put a “mastering chain“ or at least a limiter after it.

And as an alternative, if there was a Limiter in LiveFX so we could put it on the last slot.

Cheers!

I just installed my card today and immediately descended on the Live Fx.

I really like the drive of tape and vinyl but I would wish for a simple drive/satruator style drum bus. Something like a mix between a fruity clipper and a saturation plugin. I like to leave the effects on and not use them in such a “live” context yet.

Filters sound good. I kind of like that they are not so linear but welcome any improvement

The isolator is nice but I wish there was a Q boost (maybe button a for mild and button b for wilder). I like this effect a lot tho!

Maybe a transient shaper with extreme settings?

Also, would be great if these plugins could be used on the 8 busses. I think I would use them the most because they sound really good.

Either way, I think you did a stellar job! Kudos :folded_hands:t5:

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Thanks for your detailed feedback!

Regarding the isolator, it doesn’t have any Q by design: it’s made out of crossover filters. However, we will have a peaking filter option - and thus you will be able to boost specific frequencies with that one.

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More feedback in-coming :rocket::nerd_face:

Thanks for the info about the frequency boost coming to the isolator. Looking forward to that.

To be clear, the peaking filter will be part of the main multi-mode filter. But since we can have multiple instances… you will be able to place it anywhere e.g. after the crossover filter.

A “dubby” spring reverb. That’s all I ever wanted.

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I have some more feedback regarding the tape and vinyl simulations. Since buttons A and B are not used it would be great if you could switch off the drive entirely or that drive would actually start from zero and not be automatically applied as soon as you turn the tape or vinyl effect on. Sometimes I just want the vinyl or tape noise. Sometimes I just want the wow and flutter. Sometimes I would like to use both the wow and flutter with noise without any drive or distortion.

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I have another request.

TLDR - Press Mute usual on and off toggle. Press Solo - Toggle on and off using the drum pad

It would be great if you could use the solo button to allow toggling of the effects using the large drum pad only. Sometimes when I’m punching effects in and out, I would like to tap the pad once to turn the effect on and it remains on until I tap it again to switch it off. The current setup I have to press the mute or solo button. If I press the pad, (often by accident) it switches off again. I find the squishiness on the mute and solo buttons also not ideal for this function. I think the pad gives a much shorter and quicker response.

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Would it also be possible to have different versions of the filters for example instead of with an envelope follower, with an LFO that is synced for the tempo of your current project for free running in Hz?

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Adding LFO modulation source to the filters is not a bad idea, however, we need two more controls for that and we only need one. We could of course add a different module type, but not sure if it will be elegant - we would have to add it to the end of the effects list, not something that would look nice to the users. We’ll think about it!

Thanks for being so proactive and taking things into consideration and listening to users. In spite of having slightly mixed results with the DSP card and reliability, I’m really hopeful that it will develop into something quite powerful. If there was one thing I could ask for it would be that these plug-ins would be available as the native plug-ins also outside of the live effects. I think that alone even would make the DSP card worthwhile having both live effects and the same effects available to use. The reason why I asked about the LFO is simply because there is no filter that I found quite as good as the one that you have created and since they seems to be no LFO that will be added to the machines native filters this would be a great feature that I’m sure quite a few people would appreciate to have.

On that note, just another thought since LFO’s is the topic another great effect would be some kind of auto pan and Tremelo effect with drive :innocent:

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Honestly providing each effect as a separate plugin would be a serious undertaking and it’s definitely way out of scope of work for this project. But yeah we will see how some stuff you and others have requested can be incorporated into the Live FX plugin in the future! I think the updated filters and reverb can be incorporated very soon.

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I totally understand that that could be the case. However, I truly believe that this is a way forward for the device. Personally, I would pay money for those plug-ins to be available as individual plug-ins to use in the device as opposed to the live effects. They really are that good I think comparison to the other plug-ins that I’ve tried, they are very simple to use and this is exactly why I think they would be quite popular. Similar to what you’ve done for the Minilgoue. Those effects are amazing!

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I appreciate your kind comments about our DSP algorithms :slight_smile: However, once again, making our hardware-optimized effects (like we have on the newest KORG platforms) available in LV2 format for Linux would not be an easy project - mainly because when we do a new product lineup we have to be comminuted to it for at least like a decade. And yes we of course need an above-average output from it, financially speaking. Maybe if the adoption of LV2 on ARM grows and there are more platforms that start to support it, then that could be something we’d look into.

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I guess it is the same answer, but s2400 also is compatible with vst3 linux arm plugins. Would that be more feasible? or same workload as lv2?

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