It’s just not in line with previous statements (mentioned that it might be possible in the future) and the general idea of the S2400 regarding usb connectivity. And I agree there are workarounds and that might result in creative setups. For me it’s just a big bummer since it’s on top of a lot of other flaws of the dsp card and usb being my main connection at the moment.
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Yes, that was a typo. But it doesnt matter whether we describe it as an analog or digital mixer really because it has analog I/o and it sits as a layer between the main board and outputs. Why was it designed this way, if you recall originally the expressed plans were some simple fx on the main cpu and to use the pin header to attach a separate filter board etc into the analog signal path. Brad decided the filters they tested didn’t offer much beyond the digital filters that exist in the unit now and gave us a powerful dsp board instead. All of which explains the design - it was evolutionary, I’m guessing based on looking at the resources available (pins, power, space, etc) and what could be done with those resources.
“I think the DSP board is useful for people who have an actual analogue mixer going direct to recording, but no fx in their analogue signal path”
That really doesn’t make a lot of sense, does it? I mean, I have 4 mixers, a bunch of outboard fx, and think the FX card is brilliantly useful. As a thought exercise, why do you think that is?
“or for people who have something like the Model 12 wired to their daw and record their model 12 in the daw but don’t wanna use their daws fx” I’ve also recorded it into the DAW and applied fx there. I’m probably not the only one, either…
“The beauty of usbc recording is that you can cut out the middle man, apply fx directly on tracks in the daw, record everything right away, bounce, be done…”
OK, then do that. You don’t need the DSP board anyway it sounds like. Out of all the workflows possible in the universe, you picked yours as the ideal? There are lots of ways to approach recording. You could just as easily use the FX in the s2400 DSP, record out the main outs, and be done if that’s what your workflow is like. Then you really cut out a different middleman.
“With the DSP you don’t get any of those fx on the usbc channel outs. So why even bother applying them in the first place?”
Right. All hardware has physical limitations. If you are using USB only the FX card is primarily useful as a sound design tool while re-sampling.
“I read about the resample perhaps coming up at some point in the future. Good idea for people who do not have a 404 next to their SP, setting everything up in the DSP takes about as long as simply going roundtrip through the 404.”
I would guess that most s2400 users don’t have a SP. I’m confused as to why you think sampling twice is more efficient than sampling once. Again I feel like you’re just idealizing your own current workflow. It may be perfect for you at this time, but it’s not how everyone works.
“The 2400 isn’t really portable so there’s really no use setting up fx for shows either.”
The s2400 is as portable as any synth or drum machine, there’s even a flight case especially for it. The live looper is also amazing for performance and the DSP makes it even better, w the Sinevibes live fx etc. There are videos on the FB group of people using the S2400 live at concerts etc btw.
Who is it for? Anyone who wants to have sound design tools available on the unit itself (think inserts & parallel fx). Anyone who wants to host virtual instruments on the s2400. Anyone with a hybrid studio who wants a bad-ass sampler and drum machine. Anyone who wants to track it and then use its ins and outs for real-time DSP like an additional outboard fx processor. Or just track through it while in monitoring mode at 12 bit 26k. Anyone who wants to complete entire tracks on it and then record through the main outs, fully mixed and ready for mastering. Anyone who might want to sometimes track through the USB to avoid the analog section entirely. Anyone who is willing to be aware of all these different ways of using it, and others, and picks and chooses how to use it depending on the creative job at hand and how they choose to approach it. The S2400 itself makes for a great sequencer for midi drum machines and drum synths, midi to trigger out for electronic drums, midi analyzer, signal tester, phono preamp, and many other utilities. It’s like studio Swiss Army knife. The DSP just adds to it.
Anyway Timnmoen thanks for reading this far. As you can tell I’m pretty enthusiastic about it. You say ‘on top of other flaws’ but you didn’t really mention any flaws so far.
My apology if this came off as argumentative, I didn’t mean it that way, just to present a differing view. There is no wrong way to use a sampler.
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I didn’t buy the DSP as an FX unit. I use some FX on it, but for me it is mainly its sound making capabilities that got me in. The ability to add a piano, or a synth etc…
Thank you for that glorification
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Sounds like a valid scenario
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Useful insights, thanks. What I mean by other flaws is glitching and bugs appearing in lots of places since installing the card (applying fx, mute/solo dsp channels, LiveFX). Some of them might need tweaking/adjusting workflow by myself, but others need more attention. For example; high pitched glitching in certain overload situations (maybe using big wav’s samples, certain sensible plugins being used (like RX950, several Airwindows), projects that suddenly give no sound at all anymore, mute/solo no working accurate lightning buttons in DSP mixer mode, MIDI difficulties trying to get virtual instruments played by keyboard (but input monitor shows notes being played and all settings are correct from my perspective). Just to name a few I’m encountering lately. I totally agree the dsp card has a lot of potential but things like that are annoying when trying to work with it. A more detailed prescription of use, a better stock selection of plugins and features that comply with general workflow (like internal resampling) will help a lot.
You asked, who is this for? I answered. Not glorification, just sharing my experience. If you disagree, what’s your take on it?
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That is a big list of complaints. Have you opened an issue, sent a project file? Did you ever get virtual instruments playing by keyboard and did they stop, or never work? You have to set it up in more than one place. Input monitor doesnt equal routing. Etc. Separate posts with details about issues you have will get you a lot further in receiving help. You wrote in April a new sd card fixed the same issues for you. Maybe your SD card went bad again?
Like I said, some is probably due my own actions, but there are also already a lot of related bug reports on the forum. I don’t have much time to put more in (like 8 hours a week). And I want to make music in that little time I have.
And yes, a new SD card improved things here and there at the time, so did the latest firmware updates. But more bugs popped up and reading about other people experiencing the same, indicates there could be more that should be considered as an issue.